The trees are two prostrata junipers that Ted Matson originally bought at Descanso show sale in the mid-1980's, that were owned by Jim Everman. Ted planted them in separate pots for a while, but didn't like them as individual trees. Then, around 1992-93, Ted saw them sitting near each other on his bench and realized that they'd look good together, but with crossing trunks. He took the trees to John Naka and told him his idea, which John wholeheartedly agreed with, saying that it would be a controversial tree. The two tree planting was first shown at the 40th California Bonsai Society Convention six years ago. It was shown again at the 45th CBS Convention this past year. Also at the Descanso Bonsai Society and the Nampukai shows. Ted doesn't know how old the trees are. The planting is 47" tall.